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Post by President Logan on Aug 16, 2011 22:33:03 GMT -3
SO guys what do you think to the storylines in WWE at the minute. After watching Raw and SummerSlam these are the sorts of things I see building up. See what you think.
CM Punk/Triple H/Kevin Nash?
Alberto Del Rio/John Cena?
Dolph Ziggler Face Turn?
Kingston/Bourne Tag Champs? :/
Tell me what you thinks going on at the minute.
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Post by TJ Black on Aug 17, 2011 11:05:48 GMT -3
CM Punk/Triple H/Kevin Nash is a nice change. I doubt anyone ever saw Nash's return coming to it was a real suprise. However it seems very apparent that it was Stephanie that sent that text to Nash and NOT Triple H so that could be an interesting development if they decide to go down that route. Kevin Nash vs. Triple H would be a nice rematch but god i hope its not inside Hell in a Cell not after there last match. CM Punk vs. Triple H in a hell in a cell would be awesome though...
John Cena vs. Alberto Del Rio.... Well I've never cared about Alberto Del Rio or John Cena but the feud does have potential given the in ring skills of ADR and the mic skillsboth have. But since this is WWE expect ADR to cheat to win against Cena.
Dolph Ziggler's face turn has been long overdue and a match vs. Jack Swagger would be awesome giving them both time to show off there mic skills for once and they are both great ring workers so it should be entertaining if booked right.
I'm fine with Kingston/Bourne becoming champs as long as the WWE actually make them a team. They seem to be rebuilding the Women's division and maybe this is an attempt to rebuild the tag division and with The Rotondas in FCW alongside Primo broter and several mexican wrestlers such as Epico and Hunico it should e interesting.
-One a side note to this what do you tihnk of the whole Sin Cara situation with Hunico obviously replacing him to capitalise on merchandise sales whilst the real Sin Cara is suspended? I expect that we see Sin Cara return and attack Hunico durign a match (most likely number one contenders or at least main event). Leading to a mask vs. mask between Sin Cara and Sin Cara. The original Cara loses but before Hunico unmasks Epico attacks the original saving Hunico and forming a tag team.
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Post by President Logan on Aug 17, 2011 11:10:50 GMT -3
I'ver never really looked at the whole Sin Cara situation like that before and I can't see there being a cara vs cara storyling. I simply think, the original will just be switched back in when his suspension is up and the WWE will make out it was the same person all along. And then somewhere down the line Hunico come into the WWE. I honestly cannot see any of this storyline with 2 coming out.
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Post by TJ Black on Aug 17, 2011 14:35:42 GMT -3
Known WWE they won't develop into a storyline but it is funny as hell listening to Booker T and Michael Cole trying to pass on the weight adn height gain. Like he really did grow 3 inches in 15 days hilarious stuff...
CM Punk vs. Alberot Del Rio vs. John Cena would be nice match for Survivor Series maybe have ROH stars like Tyler Black (already under contract), Kings of Wrestling (currently in negotiation), Colt Cabana and Ace Steel (even though hes a free agent at the moment) and form the Cult of Personality stabel. that would be awesome...
WWE Champion: CM Punk
World Heavyweigt Champion: Tyler Black
Tag Team Champions: The Kings of Wrestling
Intercontinental Champion: Ace Steel
United States Champion: Colt Cabana
Diva's Champion: Beth Phoenix
That would be awesome...
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Post by President Logan on Aug 17, 2011 14:43:12 GMT -3
I can't see that happening to be honest but would be nice  Have you got an account on roughkut btw and read thew post in general chat to help the site out? |
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Post by Patrick Steel on Aug 17, 2011 22:27:42 GMT -3
ADR doesn't cheat to win, though. That's not his gimmick. He'll take shortcuts sometimes, but he never cheats. They really need to keep the belt on him for awhile. He's a hell who doesn't have to come out and just insult everyone to be a heel, which is refreshing.
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Post by TJ Black on Aug 17, 2011 23:08:44 GMT -3
Come on Patrick it's John Cena when's the last time he lost cleanly? The Miz went for 2 Years not ceahting to win having several successfull US AND Tag Title Defense. Heck he even won the Ladder Match cleanly. Then cashed the briefcase in on Orton adn then what?
Miz vs. Lawler TLC Match: Alex Riley AND Michael Cole interfered...
Miz vs. Orton Tables Match: Alex Riely interfered...
Miz vs. Orton Singles Match:Alex Riley, The New Nexus AND CM Punk...
Miz vs. Morrison: Clean Win
Miz vs. Lawler: Clean Win
Miz vs. Cena: Double Countout... The the freakin Rock!
Miz vs. Cena vs. Morrison: Lost the Title... WITH a Truth interference...
Miz vs. Cena: Lost to an STF during a damn I quit which Miz and Riley odminated..
By the way why does Cena's STF seem to be so much better then a singapore cane, steel chairs, steel steps and an announce table when during I Quit Matches? Seriously both Orton, Miz and Riley must have destroyed Cena with EVERYTHING during there respective and yet he still manages to not say I Quit and then in the final three secondsina 25 minute and 3 second long matches of which he was dominated for 25 minutes he can force them to say I Quit? WWE is terrible at booking, if your gonna book Cena and least make it look good...
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Post by Patrick Steel on Aug 17, 2011 23:52:43 GMT -3
Cena is the king of no-selling moves. The problem with Cena's character is that for the most part his audience is little kids, so they don't think he can be defeated without his opponents cheating. But what the WWE fails to realize is that the way to make a good heel is to have someone like ADR beat Cena clean so when a little kid yells "Del Rio sucks" you can just look at him and say "No he doesn't, he beat John Cena and he didn't even have to cheat". A good heel like ADR would do wonders for the WWE. That and Cena not acting like a dumb asshole (i.e. the end of Raw this week). Cena can actually be good on the mic and his character can make sense when they decide it's time for him to. The 2 weeks prior to SS, Cena was brilliant, last week he was SO BAD.
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Post by TJ Black on Aug 18, 2011 1:11:24 GMT -3
John Cena's mic skills were actually pretty awesome prior to SummerSlam it's a pity that CM Punk was more than awesome there were awe-quiteabit. 'Maybe we'll get to see more of these scripted shoot promos and less of a PG Confined Promo. For example:
Sheamus vs. John Cena - Cena called Sheamus a: "Human Jar of Mayonnaise".. How the hell do you expect to truthfully take offense at that?? REALLY!?
CM Punk vs. The McMahons and Cena (and The Rock) - CM Punk called John Cena and The ROck ass kissers, called Stephanie McMahon Vince McMahon's idiot daughter, called Triple H a clueless son in law and even went as far to state that the company would be better off if Vince McMahon was dead. I mean THAT was right to the bone... He literally took a surgeons and slice open the fourthwall for all of the WWE Universe to see and then the WWE continuing to let said "Best in the World" break kayfabe, mention forbidden words such as "Fourth Wall" and Blacklisted Names such as Heyman and Cabana as well as bringing up numerous other reality subjects (the recent summer clearance firing of Masters, Kozlov, Melina and Smith). It felt real. It felt like tehre could actually be realistic consequences. You could feel the intensity and emotion even from your living room.
THIS is the direction WWE need to go. The Fourth Wall shouldn't be broken down completely I'm just saying that maybe having a few bricks loose or a window would make promos more realistic.
Finally at Night of Champions I would LOVE to see the return of the Cruiserweight Title... Bit random yes but come on its THE night of CHAMPIONS of which WWE only have 6...
Yes six matches did work at Summerslam but that was due to the fact that we had two epic 25 Minute long matched preceeded by 4 awesome undercard matches. But with the states fo the current titles it will SUCK if there isn't something memorable.
The recent poster for NoC has the tagline "A Night you will never forget" so lets make it that...
Bring back the cruiseweight title in an epic Six Pack Challenge (not the sudden death one, the one similar to the Four Corners match last week on TNA). 6 cruiserweights, 4 on the apron, 2 in the ring and a complete breakdown at the end:
Tyson Kidd vs. Justin Gabriel vs. Sin Cara vs. Evan Bourne vs. Rey Mysterio vs. Kofi Kingston
I know Kingston is a little out of the weight balance but he is abetter worker than Primo and has more going for him in the current WWE.
Now give the match 20 Minutes have epic one one contests seperate by "tag outs" and then have multiple tags at the end leading to a complete riot in the ring. Everyone hits there finishers for two the ref is absolutely dumbfounded so doesn't know who the legal man is and have Bourne, Kidd or Gabriel win. Personally I would go for Gabriel and branch out a Kidd/Gabriel feud heading into Hell in a Cell. The match would be awesome, it would bring back an epic division AND allow Rey to step back from the World Title scene whilst still being relevant. The cruiserweight title could be made into what it used to be. Held by future (now current) greats. Guys like Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Jericho and Chris Benoit all held that once prestigious title and ALL are now formers world champions with lengthy title reigns. Maybe this is what guys like Kingston, Gabriel and Bourne need to finally break away from that career trap that is the current mid-card. Maybe it's what Tyson Kidd or Sin Cara needs to cement them as future stars in the WWE. Maybe its what Rey Mysterio needs to stay relevant to the WWE whilst the current Main Event angles play out. Maybe this is what WWE need to rival the X-Division which has been-as of late-AWESOME!
TNA Destination X 2011 - By far one of the greatest PPVs i've seen you had the current generation (Daniels vs. Styles), the former generation (RVD vs. Jerry Lynn) and the next generation (Ion, Evans, Low Ki and Aries) each in epic encounter that constantly had the crowd on there feet. Now look at recent WWE PPVs in SummerSlam and Money in the Bank... they... were... awesome....
Why?
WWE Money in the Bank 2011 - A GIGANTIC SPOTFEST! Seriously this PPV was a big fat Spot. The opening contest saw Sin Cara get drove through a goddamn ladder as well as an epic 450 Splash amongst about 50 spots. The next few matches saw Big Show get sidelined with a knee injury due to Mark Henry and a very evil chair as well as they usual terrible divas match. The next ladder wasn't as spotfested but had plenty of em. Highflying moves everywhere with Sentons, Planchas and an Airbourne being hit, Miz injured his knee and everyone fell off of the goddamn ladder. Then we had CHristian vs. Orton which has an interested albeit predictable finish and followed with the equally predictable Orton RKO onto the table which we've all seen about 70 times now (Triple H, RVD, Shawn Michaels, John Cena, Sheamus, Christian amongst others). Then we had the suicide dives, the shining wizards, the flying bulldogs, the springboard moves and more importantly the false finishers of the match of the century between CM PUnk and John Cena.
What do these two PPVs have in common? Spots AND technical prowess. Both cards had rediculous amounts of high flying moves and spots whilst having enough pure wrestling to keep any fan wanting more. And that brings us... to SummerSlam:
Starting with the six man tag match that showcased everyones in ring potential and ending with 3 spots from the faces to the heel a great curtain jerker. Sheamus getting slammed through a barricade? Awesome and original. Kelly Kelly took a surprise win in a surprisingly long and entertaining match. Then we had Barrett vs. Bryan in argueable one of the best mid-card matchesof the year in which simple science took place. The chemisty of mixing brawling and technical prowess will react into an epic match on every scale. Ending in a CLEAN victory from Barrett and setting up for a future match. And then the bell rang... Randy Orton vs. Christian in the definition of a No Holds Barred Match. Preceeded by a great Edge segment and an unpredicted one at that this match had every kind of weapon you could imagine being used and ended with Christian going through 3 tables including one historicly stubborn Spanish Announce Table and then ending with multiple false finishes before the rediculously ice cold RKO on top of the steps. And finally... Cena vs. Punk.,, Not the best match of the year but was a close fourth for WWE (MITB coming first and the No Holds Barred Matches betweem Triple H/Taker and Orton/Christian stealinf second and third. This match was a completely new match. With new chain wrestling previously unseen in the money in the bank match and ending with a shady finish but what did it have to make it truly memorable? Kevin Nash...
Back to the TNA PPVs no one expected every X-Division Star to attack Abyss and Immortal during the TNA X Division Title Match at Destination x nor did they expect the Kurt Angle heel turn when he faced Sting. No body every expect Styles vs. Bully Ray to end with Styles going head first through a box during there last man standing match. And NO ONE expected James Storm, Brother Devon or Bobby Roode to to brilliantly in the BFG Series (although we all hope Beer Money would) and NO ONE expected to see Samoa Joe end up on -10.
WWE need to ride this wave of unpredictability and make sure that every RAW and every SmackDown leaves the WWE Universe with more questions than answers...
And anyways... Back to Topic...
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Post by President Logan on Aug 18, 2011 9:24:33 GMT -3
What I always don't get is that Cena is always portrayed (well I feel) as some sort of comeback kid or the underdog leading into matches although he is still meant to be the stronger and better character than his opponents so why have he lead into things trying to make him look under his opponents? I mean lets face it, although I would like to see Del Rio beat him cleanly, he will probably win by cheating or intereference a few times and then drop the title to cena towards the end of the year.
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Post by President Logan on Aug 18, 2011 9:26:10 GMT -3
Also, just to add in. Not that I think ti would ever happen but since Nash mentioned Hall, It would be nice to see a clique reunion between hunter, nash, hall, waltman and OF COURSE michaels.
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Post by Patrick Steel on Aug 18, 2011 10:42:05 GMT -3
Eh, I'd rather not see a bunch of washed up wrestlers reappear and all be part of the biggest story line in the company, that's what the biggest problem with TNA is. Yeah, it's nice to talk about the past, but the WWE has a roster full of good, young talent that they're already under utilizing, no need to push them further out of spotlight for guys who were popular 10-15 years ago.
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Post by TJ Black on Aug 18, 2011 11:59:06 GMT -3
Actually a Clique revival (that isn't involved in the ring) would be nice. Maybe Nash and H can wretle but i'd rather not see Hall in the ring again he's terrible... Doubt Shawn Michaels will return in ring but he could be the Raw GM which would be awesome. Besides it would be an interesting experience to see a commissioner HBK that DOESN'T want to stick it to Trips... That way Triple H wouldn't hvae to waste 20 minutes saying a load of BS that ultimately doesn't matter.
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Post by President Logan on Aug 18, 2011 15:35:16 GMT -3
I would love (and I'm pretty sure this would never happen now) to see Michaels wrestle one more match with Triple H. Maybe with a storyline of Trips becoming too old or rusty to wrestle and returning to the thing where if either Michaels or Triple were past the it the other one would put them out of the game. I think this would be EPIC.
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Post by Patrick Steel on Aug 18, 2011 19:06:31 GMT -3
A Clique storyline just seems lazy. "Hey remember. when these guys wrestled and you liked them? Well they're back for the millionth time"
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