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Post by President Logan on Nov 3, 2011 20:18:11 GMT -3
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Post by TJ Black on Nov 3, 2011 23:57:03 GMT -3
Speaking of this epic feud... I have to things to say:
1) Thank you for that great link to WWE DVDs!
2) What are YOU'RE personal favourite feuds?
As for 2 I will start, no excuse if I leave off earlier classic that may have involved Piper, Hogan, Savage, Steamboat, Ultimate Warrior and Andre the Giant as I am only 16 and wasn't around for those feuds... Anyways I will keep my list as a: "Top 10 TNA/WWE Feuds of the 2000s"
10) The Rock vs. Hulk Hogan
-This would rank higher had it not been for the fact that both these guys rose to fame due to their mic work and were rather 1 dimensional in the ring. (Although Rock can pull out good matches like Cena can given the right opponent). Then again were it not for the passing of the torch this feud might never have been featured. Rock/Hogan was entertaining of course and the Hollywood vs. Hollywood thing WWE had going on which truly kickstarted the feud was great however I can't help but think that the only thing I will ever truly take away from this feud is The Rock's unforgettable Hollywood Titantron from No Way Out 2003 and that epic Hollywood Rock Heel Theme. The feud itself ended with a taint, Vince McMahon vs. Hulk Hogan-a feud to personal to have even been brought onto TV-was promoted using this feud. Sorry but only one guy can carry Old Vince through a match and that's the Heartbreak Kid Shawn Michaels!
9) Undertaker vs. Edge
-This was by far one of Undertaker's greatest feuds and as I look back in history four guys stand out to me when I think of Taker: Edge, Batista, Shawn Michaels and Kane... Their TLC Match was great and very well done considering Undertaker's age and condition. The WrestleMania match was by far on of the most underrated matches in Mania history and the Hell in a Cell Match at SummerSlam symbolised one of the few remaining times a feud ended in spectacular fashion.
8) Undertaker vs. Batista
-Surprise, surprise Taker once again with a great feud one of the best in his career with countless Match of the Night performance. The singles match at WrestleMania 23, the Last Man Standing Match at Backlash, Steel Cage Match on SmackDown, the simply great Cyber Sunday Match and their epic Hell in a Cell clash. The only thing that truly separates this from the Edge/Taker feud is exactly what the WWE did. A face vs. face feud normally doesn't work but when it's built on Batista trying to earn the respect of the greatest big man to set foot in the WWE it created a whole new atmosphere. Factor in the kickstart to Edge vs. Taker feud itself and a rare Stone Cold Guest Referee appearance and you have an amazing that will last throughout the ages.
7) Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Jericho
-Anytime a future hall of famer clashes with his idol-especially when those two are now considered to be in Top 10 Wrestlers of All-time, you know there's going to be fireworks. Their WrestleMania 19 Match was a Match of the Night Candidate (and would have made it too had it not been for Lesnar/Angle and Stone Cold/Rock). The push Jeff Hardy got during this angle was decent but he screwed up so I will move onto the latter part: 2008, Jericho had not long returned and was quickly fizzling out. To spice him up abit the decided to have him drive Shawn Michaels face through the "Jeritron 5000". What followed was rather pointless but added an extra layer of aggression to the feud: Jericho "accidentally" punched Shawn's wife right in the face. Suffice to say HBK who had just seconds before been berated by Jericho who said that-since he retired HBK (which HBK at formerly announced)-that it was only right that the Showstopper give respect where its due and name Jericho the Best in the World. Of course instead HBK gave Jericho a Superkick, returned to WWE and had by far two of the greatest matches in his career. A hellacious Last Man Standing that not only blessed WWE Raw but took place in London, England... Suffice to say it is in my list of one of the best TV Mathes in recent history. The feud came to and end when Shawn Michaels destroyed Chris Jericho in a BRUTAL Unsanctioned Street Fight. Nothing tells a greater story then the vegeance of a legend upon by far the Greatest Heel Character in the one and a half decades...
6) Kurt Angle vs. Brock Lesnar
-As noted the Mania match between these two blew HBK/Jericho out of the water... wel not really it sort off created a slightly big tidal wave... SLIGHTLY! Angle vs. Lesnar had an unforgettable Mania Main Event Match (and a horrifying spot that: "Scared the sh*t out of me!"). They continued their feud with a Lesnar heel turned and with the inclusion of Big Show. They also had an epic TV Match JUST like Jericho/HBK (although one came in the same feud and not in a reignition). Lesnar vs. Angle in an Ironman Match really got over Lesnar as the "Intellegent but Powerful Badass Heel" (something that no longer has a presence in WWE today). The Ironman Match and the Main Event of WM19 are by far two of the greatest matches in 2003...
5) Batista vs. Triple H
-The kickstart to Batista's career, the beginning to one of the most recognisable names in recent history's Path to the Hall of Fame. The Evolution Background allowed for a slow but sure Face Turn which once finally executed got a HUGE pop from the crowd who had been teased for 4 months prior. The rematch at Backlash with Triple H claiming that it only took one move, one mistake, three split seconds to end the supposed fluke of a reign.Batista once again won. Triple H then became desperate oddly enough desperation seems to equal intensity as these two put on one of the great Hell in a Cell Matches of all time-the defining moment of these feud. Not only did Batista remain the most popular stars on SmackDown as well as the most dominant AND longest reign champion that year but Vengeance 2005 was memorable for one sole moment, a moment that went unmatched by everything else that occured there. Batista and Triple H went tooth and nail in the most brutal Hell in a Cell bout that DIDN'T involve absolutely ludicrous stunts like a chokeslam off the top of the cell onto a haytruck or a background through the cell roof or a roof toss through a table or even the legendary demonic debut of Kane. Vengeance redefined the Hell in a Cell and certainly made a statement. The brutality, the intensity, the destruction and the aftermath... Nothing else compared to this feud in 2005 in my eyes and the Hell in a Cell Match (as well as the Mania Match) were the deciding factors. WWE finally booked something right... Who'd of though...
4) Kane vs. Undertaker
-Technically this is cheating as the feud began in 1998 but hey it's still on-going and is by far the most gimmick based feud we've ever laid eyes on. The Buried Alive Match, the Inferno Match, the Deadman/Badass Gimmick, the Big Red Machine. Undertaker made Kane but at the same time: Kane made the Deadman. Prior to Kane's debut sure Undertaker was great and he was stil getting pops but this added a true layer of character to Undertaker that was previously missing and it is in the end what-in my mind-kept Taker fresh. The feud began with one of the most memorable debut spots in history and seemingly culminated at Mania after months of Taker trying to avoid confrontation. Mania offered a great big man match. A match that truly showed just how great matches can be between the 6 foot 9 300 pound type of guys. Proving every nay sayer wrong. The feud also lead to Kane only WWE Title win (for a whole of 24 hours...). Come 2001 The Brothers of Destruction were formed. Nothing was more horrifying and we saw a classic tag team match between The Brothers of Destruction and The Two-Man Power Trip which I still remember to this day. Upon the Badass Gimmick Change Kane was moved to Raw and teamed with various other partners including X-Pac and RVD however he soon showed his anger at the new biker Taker and buried the gimmick alive. That was the last we saw of the American Badass to this day. The feud would not end their and upon Taker's return he clashed with Kane in a severely underrated WrestleMania Match, whilst not on par with their previous Mania clash it was definately memorable. Taker once again came up victorious back under the deadman gimmick. Kane soon turned face thanks to Snitsky and Brothers of Destruction would reform sporadically. Come 2010 and the feud gets REALLY good. Kane begins cutting the most epic promos of his career claiming that he would avenge his brother and destroy those who put him in a vegetative state. He would then become World Champion for a rather hefty 6 months and proved that he still had "it" both on the mic AND in the ring.Soon ofcourse Taker woke up and whilst in his weakened form eventually lost to Kane in some great matches, The No Holds Barred, the Hell in a Cell, the Buried Alive Match... it was all there and WWE did great leaving the feud open to coninue Taker of course returned earlier this year and engaged in a feud with Triple H. Only one can hope that the WWE doesn't just drop the whole thing between Taker/Kane/Barrett as it has potential (especially for Barrett). A great feud which created 3 of the most historic matches we know,,,
3) The Creation of the X-Division
-This is less of a solo feud and more of the greatest TNA saga in its brief history. Of coruse the feud(s) I am talking about are: Samoa Joe vs. AJ Styles, AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels, Joe/Daniels/Styles and Daniels/Joe (although technically Daniels and Joe never had a full-blown feud to my recollection...) These three men were the sole cause of the creation of TNA. Styles built the house, Daniels maintained it and Joe improved upon it. The X-Division was defined by these three guys and their are few equals to what so few guys do to an entire era. These guys are the Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior and Randy Savage of the Golden Era, the Rock, Austin and Triple H off the Attitude Era and the CM Punk, John Cena and Randy Orton of the Reality Era. These guys are the sole reason TNA has survived this long and that is reason enough to be on this list. What places this higher then the great feuds preceding it is the quality of the match. EVERY time these two step into the ring magic follows. Even to this day with a 40 year old Daniels with more injuries then a clumsy guy with Brittle Bone Disease and ADHD the Daniels/Styles saga continued to outlive the hype with unforgettable Destination X and BFG Matches. On top of this Joe vs. Styles was by far a highlight in Joe's World Championship run and the inevitable reignition will be just as memorable. The sheer history behind Styles and Daniels alone is also reason enough to be on this list and alas it is deservant of the Number 3 Spot....
2) Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels
-Another feud routed all the way in the Attitude Era. DX, Shawn Michaels was the boss, Triple H was the lackey... until that one injury. Michaels was on the shelf for 4 years, Trips took over the reigns. Flash forward to 2002 and the show gets stopped by the Heartbreak Kid, what followed are some of the most historical moments in history. SummerSlam 2002, the Street Fight. the brutal return match. The vengeful HBK looking for retribution having been kicked out of DX by Trips earlier. Post-match Triple H destroyed HBK... Triple H walked out. Survivor Series, the Elimination Chamber Match... The first and greatest Elimination Chamber in many peoples eyes. It was Shawn Michaels' first PPV Match back and led to the inevitable HBK World Title Win. (It is worth noting that this was his FINAL world title reign despite being the star performer for WWE a further 8 years after this reign!) The history between these two unparalelled and only got THAT MUCH BETTER! Armageddon, it was three stages of hell! This ended in favour of Triple H after an amazing match up! Armageddon 2002 was however just a precursor to the great half of 2004 after Orton managed to reignite the feud during the Evolution era (yes Orton vs. HBK at Unforgiven/SummerSlam was before HHH/HBK).
2004 was the great year of not only HBK and Triple H but of Chris Benoit. The defining moment of HHH/HBK was-in my opinion-Chris Benoit vs. Triple H vs. Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania XX. No other main event can compare for me (Except for Number 1 obviously) as this featured three of my favourite wrestlers of all time. The match itself was given excellent time and featured some great spots, amazing false finishers and an unforgettable end. After Mania WWE continued to promote HBK/Triple H whilst pushing Benoit. A good Ironman Match as well as a good Singles Match better Triple H and Shawn Michaels respectively would followed on WWE TV (following another great Triple Threat Match at Backlash!) Both matches ended with Chris Benoit winning thanks to the opposing rival (Triple H costing HBK the title) and the final culmination: Hell in a Cell. The Hell in a Cell Match was great if slightly too long. The time was understandable due to the rather obvious Final Encounter however the long pauses did slow down the action (hence why Benoit/HBK/HHH was my highlight) but the match was still great and was a fitting end to one of the most storied rivalries in the history of the WWE... Interestingly not long after this the two joined forces and were once again D-Generation X. Real shame they never split again... could've done with this feud on the current WWE TV, you know since it currently fails as Sport, Soap, Drama and Entertainment....
1) Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker
-There is nothing quite like watching the Greatest Wrestler to have Ever Lived get retired by the most iconic wrestlers in WWE history. Michaels vs. Undertaker had to back-to-back 5 star Mania Matches and the story was brilliant. HBK had nothing left to accomplishment... except break the streak, and he would do ANYTHING for one more shot. HBK's desperation finally killed him (figuratively of course) and in just two short years the two greatest matches alongside four of the most spectacular individual entrances involving two of the greatest WWE Wrestlers and being the greatest feud ever, the career of Shawn Michaels was over... There is nothing more to say about thsi then what has already been said at WrestleMania 25 and WrestleMania 26.
Shawn Michaels vs. The Undertaker... the last great feud...
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Post by Diego De La Vega on Nov 5, 2011 17:49:59 GMT -3
It was a decent DVD althoug having read their books and watched their previous DVD's there really is no new information or much added to an already talked about subject.
As far as great rivalries go The Rock v Stone Cold is by all time favorite. There is no question these were two mega Icons that headlined 3 different wrestlemanias. It was perfect.
An underrated fued but which I clearly have a bias for is Eddie Guerrero v Rey Mysterio. This had two great in ring technicians with Guerrero being able to put over big time over the mic.
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Post by TJ Black on Nov 5, 2011 19:29:17 GMT -3
Chirst how did I forget Rock/Stone Cold? OK then I guess that would go to Number 2 moving everyone else up (and by default leave Hogan/Rock off of the Top 10  ) |
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Post by Diego De La Vega on Nov 5, 2011 20:57:00 GMT -3
You really think that Taker HBK was that good of a rivalry over Rock Stone Cold? I'm never one to rob someone of their opinion but while they were great one off matches I expect more out a rivalry besides 1 month of work. HBK HHH was a much better rivalry and probably each others best rivalry
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TJ Black
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Post by TJ Black on Nov 5, 2011 23:30:31 GMT -3
Honeslty? I speak out of bias cause I am a Undertaker and a Shawn Michaels mark. They are by far two of the greatest in ring wrestlers and general WWE Personalities to come out of the 90s. The two matches at Mania are testaments to just how great Shawn Michaels and Undertaker are not just in their current age but showcases how great they were in their prime. Shawn Michaels and Taker STILL being able to put on these classics are exactly why The Undertaker is known as the Phenom and Shawn Michaels is the Showstopper, the Heartbreak Kid, Mr. WrestleMania. Factor in the legendary retirement of the greatest Wrestler ever as well as a great storyline and I mark the hell out!
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Post by Diego De La Vega on Nov 7, 2011 1:07:22 GMT -3
If it weren't for marks wrestling would have been out of business years ago. I know I'm the same guy that pops for Bret Hart now even though I know he can't put on great matches but still wants to see him "wrassle" with the youngsters.
I've soured on Undertaker because it seems he's only active around January - April. I invest much more in the other youngsters just to see them bumped off by the veteran. He's earned that status but I'd rather see some new blood at this point
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TJ Black
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Post by TJ Black on Nov 7, 2011 15:15:29 GMT -3
True I'm really high on Awesome Truth, Dolph Ziggler and Cody Rhodes at the moment... Can't stand Alberto Del Rio though (and that's not because he's heel as you can see by those I am "high" on lol) I don't know what it is about him maybe it's because he's following the greatest man to ever pull off that gimmick (JBL) or that he was pushed too fast, too soon in an attempt to capture the Mexican demographic.
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